not bug Zariche/Akamanah

[PiffPaff 3]

Hey, it kinda worries me that the cursed sword Zariche seems to stay with the same owner without dropping for the last week.

Someone just hoggs the sword and keeps farming his ass off without the sword showing any signs of ever disappering.

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The Cursed Swords automatically disappear a certain period of time after acquisition, regardless of the character's online status. When a Cursed Sword holder kills another player, the sword's lifespan shortens but the sword's abilities/level increases. However, the Cursed Sword must kill every day, or it will be deleted within 24 hours. The character who possesses either sword will be notified via system message of how much time is remaining on the sword and how long it has been since the sword has killed. 

 This is the L2 wiki info about those swords, and a lvl 10 sword shouldnt even last longer than something around 4 hours. It is supposed to disappear with a 50% chance if you want to "trade" it to another player - yet it never disappears over the whole time I have been playing here.

 

[Emca 306]

We'll check it

[Yooyoo 20]

I can say that it did dissapear atleast once (saw it with one of the first cursed weapons on server, where people hunted it, killed owner and weapon was gone). I think its just plain luck and I never saw Akamanah here for 1 week lol.

[PiffPaff 3]

5 minutes ago, Yooyoo said:

I can say that it did dissapear atleast once (saw it with one of the first cursed weapons on server, where people hunted it, killed owner and weapon was gone). I think its just plain luck and I never saw Akamanah here for 1 week lol.

That's not the whole point. It should disappear every day at the very least. 

You should not be able to keep it forever just because nobody kills you.

[Yooyoo 20]

It dissapears after 24 hours ONLY if you dont kill anyone or timer is out. Dunno whats the exact time you have when you are lvl 10, but I bet its more than 4 hours, cuz I had it longer than that.

[Emca 306]

So no bug here:

Current Akamanah was last dropped 03:44:14 from player and picked up by another player few seconds later.

Current Zariche was dropped from mob and picked up on 13:26:10.

[Kruchy 3]

its not normal,  ppl pick akamanah 5 time in row and he dont broken.

[Emca 306]

Yeah, people sometimes get +15 weapon, that's also not normal

Count with me - 5x 50 % in the row = 1/32

+15 weapon - 12x 70 % in the row = 1/72.25

That's how random works!

 

[Kruchy 3]

Emca 2 cursed wepon for 1 week in hand of 1 klan, wher thay exp 20+ chars, 76-78 its normal??

when wepon drop  lastrun is ther.

thay stack wepon and use it for 24 h????

 

Edited October 30, 2016 by Kruchy

[Emca 306]

Eh, what?

[Kruchy 3]

eh what, log in game and check ofc is 50% chance but pick wepon so many times??

[Emca 306]

I've checked the logs for all manipulation with Akamanah and Zariche, here it is (decoded, formatted and anonymized):

10/03/2016 08:25:46.848: Akamanah was picked by player 1 [no clan]
10/03/2016 08:43:59.885: Akamanah was destroyed by player 1 [no clan]
10/03/2016 17:48:30.347: Zariche was picked by player 2 [no clan]
10/03/2016 17:49:20.486: Zariche was dropped by player 2 [no clan]
10/03/2016 17:52:42.523: Zariche was picked by player 3 [clan 4]
10/03/2016 17:54:26.716: Zariche was destroyed by player 3 [clan 4]
10/04/2016 15:31:12.932: Akamanah was picked by player 5 [no clan]
10/04/2016 15:51:25.247: Akamanah was dropped by player 5 [no clan]
10/04/2016 15:56:06.049: Akamanah was picked by player 6 [clan 7]
10/04/2016 16:36:53.003: Akamanah was destroyed by player 6 [clan 7]
10/04/2016 19:08:50.263: Akamanah was picked by player 8 [clan 9]
10/04/2016 19:52:53.934: Akamanah was dropped by player 8 [clan 9]
10/04/2016 19:54:45.115: Akamanah was picked by player 10 [no clan]
10/04/2016 19:54:57.783: Akamanah was destroyed by player 10 [no clan]
10/06/2016 17:21:26.593: Akamanah was picked by player 11 [no clan]
10/06/2016 18:05:41.481: Akamanah was destroyed by player 11 [no clan]
10/06/2016 22:13:30.716: Akamanah was picked by player 12 [no clan]
10/06/2016 22:18:31.408: Akamanah was destroyed by player 12 [no clan]
10/13/2016 07:27:07.734: Zariche was picked by player 13 [clan 7]
10/13/2016 08:08:08.322: Zariche was destroyed by player 13 [clan 7]
10/13/2016 20:21:21.837: Zariche was picked by player 14 [clan 15]
10/13/2016 20:22:57.231: Zariche was destroyed by player 14 [clan 15]
10/15/2016 16:40:15.464: Zariche was picked by player 16 [no clan]
10/15/2016 16:46:07.558: Zariche was dropped by player 16 [no clan]
10/15/2016 16:46:10.226: Zariche was picked by player 17 [clan 4]
10/16/2016 03:42:21.805: Akamanah was picked by player 18 [no clan]
10/16/2016 04:06:31.039: Akamanah was dropped by player 18 [no clan]
10/16/2016 04:12:42.180: Akamanah was picked by player 18 [no clan]
10/16/2016 05:01:13.424: Akamanah was destroyed by player 18 [no clan]
10/16/2016 15:23:38.051: Zariche was destroyed by player 17 [clan 4]
10/16/2016 19:04:42.099: Zariche was picked by player 19 [clan 20]
10/16/2016 19:06:47.960: Zariche was destroyed by player 19 [clan 20]
10/19/2016 06:41:47.727: Zariche was picked by player 21 [clan 20]
10/19/2016 09:14:21.195: Zariche was dropped by player 21 [clan 20]
10/19/2016 09:17:51.094: Zariche was picked by player 21 [clan 20]
10/19/2016 12:56:36.082: Zariche was destroyed by player 21 [clan 20]
10/22/2016 00:30:22.265: Zariche was picked by player 22 [clan 23]
10/22/2016 00:42:51.912: Zariche was destroyed by player 22 [clan 23]
10/27/2016 11:28:55.918: Akamanah was picked by player 24 [no clan]
10/27/2016 11:34:08.731: Akamanah was dropped by player 24 [no clan]
10/27/2016 11:34:10.525: Akamanah was picked by player 25 [clan 20]
10/28/2016 11:03:19.073: Akamanah was dropped by player 25 [clan 20]
10/28/2016 11:06:33.404: Akamanah was picked by player 25 [clan 20]
10/28/2016 18:05:53.245: Akamanah was dropped by player 25 [clan 20]
10/28/2016 18:05:58.097: Akamanah was picked by player 21 [clan 20]
10/29/2016 03:44:14.170: Akamanah was dropped by player 21 [clan 20]
10/29/2016 03:44:26.775: Akamanah was picked by player 26 [clan 20]
10/29/2016 13:26:10.875: Zariche was picked by player 27 [clan 20]
10/29/2016 18:15:45.877: Akamanah was destroyed by player 26 [clan 20]
10/30/2016 06:48:18.900: Akamanah was picked by player 28 [clan 29]
10/30/2016 06:59:02.139: Akamanah was dropped by player 28 [clan 29]
10/30/2016 06:59:04.760: Akamanah was picked by player 30 [clan 29]
10/30/2016 14:44:41.715: Akamanah was destroyed by player 30 [clan 29]
10/30/2016 21:22:01.445: Zariche was dropped by player 27 [clan 20]
10/30/2016 21:22:10.524: Zariche was picked by player 31 [clan 20]

I'd say they're just extremely lucky

[Eldax 112]

Well, first think about cursed weapon is that they should be disabled on low rates for first/first two months. In upper post emca said they're just extremly lucky, but its just about drop and repicking it up, when u add to this overstacking it on every1 owner ( cuz cursed weapons can break even during stacking) it comes from extremly lucky to "w8 smth must be wrong".
I will give a new player view. 1st u find this serwer on lineage2 forum, at start its all fine, no donations, no bots, finally no interlude/h5 serwer. But after u read emca reply about asking why donations is dissabled:
" We've done some servers in the past and recently some of our former players were asking "Why don't you create one more server? We have nowhere to play...", so we've decided to give it a try."  link: http://forum.lineage2.com.pl/index.php/topic,59172.25.html
U start wondering, w8, so this serwer is made for friends? But since ATM there no other fine serwer to play, u give l2shrine a chance. During 1st day u see in chat that every 4-5 hours some1 drops and picks up cursed weapon again and again, but ure low lvl so u dont care. 2nd and 3rd day situation is same, so u starting to map tracking it. Always same cycle, weapon dropped from player in dion castle, picked up in same place few sec later, where is stacking, and he comes to godd ch to make ports for FoG or IT. In 4th day u starting asking players what's going on. U're getting answer that Czech clan has unlimited duration cursed weapon and whole time they fast lvling clan mates on fog/it trains, and gm says all is fine they're just lucky. Then u reminds "Czech serwer made for friends", ok w/e, I will find party and pwn them anyway. ATM u try kill him during trains by changing his target by aggro, but his skill bar looks like [ F1- Attack, F2- Nexttarget, F3 weapon skill, F4 pick up, F5 to F12 BSOE ],and he just laughs u in face than he has 72h overtacked zariche yet and nothing u can do with it, so gl&hf. Then in saturday u have info about TW, W8 WHAT?
TW 1 week after previous? In other week than siege? 2 days be4 end of the month, Hero hack? So u start spectrating oly, 1st Arena Lastrun feed, 2nd arena same, 3rd same 4th same, WTF? 3 clans has castles and only 1 has noblesses? 70% clan population has hero from custom zariche/akamanach and custom TW on l2off serwer? FRIENDS Clan?? And then u comes to present day. U read forum, another tw in next week, 3 tw in 3 weeks- more fun. Cursed weapons? Fine too, just luck. In situation like this Donation would bring ballance cuz its 4 everybody...
So, now u're between choosing to stay and dont care, or quit and leave whole this shit behind. or being banned for toxic, and not trusting GM's in theirs honesty.

I just described how it can looks in new player eyes. I didnt want to abuse GMs, cuz I have no power here to fight within, or abuse last run (but since they dont read it cuz theirs translate skills force them to give up after 1st lane of text, its not abuse). hf.

[Emca 306]

10/16/2016 05:01:13.424: Akamanah was destroyed by player 18 [no clan]
...
10/22/2016 00:42:51.912: Zariche was destroyed by player 22 [clan 23]
10/27/2016 11:28:55.918: Akamanah was picked by player 24 [no clan]
...
10/29/2016 13:26:10.875: Zariche was picked by player 27 [clan 20]

7 days without Zariche, 11 days without Akamanah

16 minutes ago, Eldax said:

hero from custom zariche/akamanach

Hero from cursed weapon? oO

Custom zariche/akamanah? It has DEFAULT settings and we made NO changes in it:

cursed_weapon_begin
	item_name=[uq_sword_zariche]
	create_rate_per_10min=3		// *0.001
	create_rate_per_npc=1		// *0.001
	drop_rate_ondying=500		// *0.001
	life_time=518400		// seconds
	expire_by_nonpk=86400	// seconds
	expire_by_drop=3600	// seconds
	transform_id = 301
cursed_weapon_end

cursed_weapon_begin
	item_name=[uq_dual_aka_manaf]
	create_rate_per_10min=3		// *0.001
	create_rate_per_npc=1		// *0.001
	drop_rate_ondying=500		// *0.001
	life_time=518400		// seconds
	expire_by_nonpk=86400	// seconds
	expire_by_drop=3600	// seconds
	transform_id = 302
cursed_weapon_end

For changes in the extender you can look on bitbucket - there's no change in cursed weapon logic.

18 minutes ago, Eldax said:

TW 1 week after previous

I'd repeat myself but it was set like this by the server itself and nobody complained. Nobody complained about the same in the OBT which was running for one and a half month! What could we do with it if everything seemed right?

OMG what should we do? Roll back last 43 hours? That's nonsense and you know it.

In the morning I've tried to fix TW date to be one day before CS and it was really difficult to make it do it this way. The server (I still don't know why) likes the saturday 8 days before siege. Had to do two restarts and fiddle in database to change it!

Also I'm now analyzing the code that's probably responsible for this, I've disassembled something and you can see it here http://pastebin.com/S0DRv9z3 - when I have some time, I'll dig into it and find whether it's bugged or ok.

 

This is no server for friends - just go through forum and look how we behave to czech players and how we behave to other players - there's no difference.

I even don't know who from the old players plays here now and in what clan - to be honest, I don't know much about your clans...

[Graddy 9]

I im player of Lastrun clan and I never heard of anyone knew Emca or any GM before this server, so please stop cry and try harder

[darkdewer 16]

Anyone else who had the sword can comment if it was lvling up ok with pks or not? I had it and it didnt lvl up even after 100 pks...

[Yooyoo 20]

Once we had to have 1443 PK to get it to lvl 10. But I think its pretty random.

[klever 16]

4 hours ago, darkdewer said:

Anyone else who had the sword can comment if it was lvling up ok with pks or not? I had it and it didnt lvl up even after 100 pks...

y, it was ok lvlling up with pks. need more PK ))

[WokiR 10]

in sm cases we needed 140 +- PKs. in sm we needed 1400 PK +- .  Have no idea how it works ;-)

[heroBD 107]

there are 2 points of views , the one eldax described , being curious and wondering about everything (not able to do something other than quit/qq)

and the second one , say they had much amount of luck+organisation , got 10+ nobless , got heros , easily farming the cursed weapons , easily snowballing in later stage of the game cause they already have codex advantage+heros advantage+language/numbers advantage) . in this way i have to say what they said , try harder and beat em.

the only thing i want to state here is that because  this chronicle is all about snowball, if it comes to a point where they cant open hellbound/cant lvl up hellbound etc and they wanna progress and GMs decide to  stop their 'retail' idea and 'help in opening hellbound/double the points in lvling hellbound etc' to 'progress with the server'  by some kind of 'vote' , of 40 people voting only in forum for the most serious server thing, i will personally be out .

 

[Emca 306]

We won't change anything with hellbound opening - it will slow top players a bit allowing the slower ones to lower the difference, which is perfect

[PiffPaff 3]

I had Akamanah and it absolutely did not lvl up randomly. Every 19 pk's it got +1 lvl like clockwork.

Up to lvl 7 or something it still had a timelimit.When the number of pks got so high that the time would have become zero, the timer completly disappeared. For all I know I could have kept the sword forever (or until I died).

This isnt about the chance you have when it drops. Zariche has a timer. The timer is not 240 hours.

Edited November 15, 2016 by PiffPaff

[WokiR 10]

if u relog the timer will show u how much left. if i remember corectly on +10 its 72 hours. + u have to kill every 24 hours at least 1 player. yesterday smn from our clan logout without killing anyone and zariche disappeared. Pls there is no bug stop crying about it.

[PiffPaff 3]

2 hours ago, WokiR said:

if u relog the timer will show u how much left. if i remember corectly on +10 its 72 hours. + u have to kill every 24 hours at least 1 player. yesterday smn from our clan logout without killing anyone and zariche disappeared. Pls there is no bug stop crying about it.

Yeah you can make that up all you want. 

There is no freaking timer and its broken as fuck. On retail server you had Zariche at lvl 10 for 4 hours, not 72. And retail Zariche/Akamanah were not meant for a server of this size either. If this keeps up you can close down soon enough.

[Emca 306]