Jorn 120 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Please vote and discuss. Voting will end next Wednesday 20:00 CET. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TzaR 19 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TzaR 19 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 i think its wrong way( Quote Link to post Share on other sites
klever 16 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Just now, TzaR said: i think its wrong way( + Quote Link to post Share on other sites
klever 16 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 better to make a point in the rules of the server that the administration can not be held responsible for any purchase of game valuables for real money Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Emca 306 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 TBH, it can only end up in punishing players for offering RTMÂ trades on forum/on server... Everything else would be inconclusive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adephx 1 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 As a F2P/B2P player I never understood why people are against real life money trading. I can understand it from the company's point of view, because those players are taking away their money, but you're essentially a non-profit service, so why bother? Some people might say it's an unfair advantage, but that's just life, someone born into a rich family can simply afford more, that's why there is a player in Archeage who spent an estimated 150,000€ buying legal ingame currency (Apex). Also, I see no way how can you possibly battle RMT, unless players promote their service in global chat. L2 is a sandbox game where everything goes, but I understand that for a lot of players, including me, MMOs present a world in which you can break away from the unfairness of the real life and become strong by relying on your own effort (tho to be completely fair, RMT is usually a lot cheaper than the legal RMT items offered by the companies themselves, so that argument goes out of the window). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
klever 16 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Just now, Emca said: Â only end up in punishing players for offering RTMÂ trades on forum/on server... Everything else would be inconclusive. + Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oriphix 61 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Emca said: TBH, it can only end up in punishing players for offering RTMÂ trades on forum/on server... Everything else would be inconclusive. A player sees that someone is selling items on L2Shrine or you see it yourself on max cheaters. Main form of contact is normally skype. You make contact and arrange meeting in game. Find the play and all related accounts and ban them. If they are listing there items for sale for real money its intent to sell and is still punishable imo. Nothing really inconclusive. Edited October 5, 2016 by Kirito Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oriphix 61 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Also why voting ends tomorrow? Leave the voting open for the whole week. We have new players coming and this gives existing players time to check the forums. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Emca 306 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 @Kirito, maybe you don't have experience with totalism in your country but here it's considered immoral to act as an agent-provocateur... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oriphix 61 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, Emca said: @Kirito, maybe you don't have experience with totalism in your country but here it's considered immoral to act as an agent-provocateur... No idea what you are on about here. This is a game so keep on topic, we not discussing what is legal and illegal in each others countries. GM creates the server and creates the rules for the community. You control what is allowed not allowed on your server. However the community decides whether it wants to play on a server or not based on the server features. No good server would allow RTM. All I am saying is make it clear. If you are allowing it put it on the features on your website so people know where you stand. Otherwise police it like every other server / GM does it and ban people that break the rules. Low rate servers are strictly no RMT because we want to work for there gear and like to grind. If we wanted to get all the gear we can go on mid rate or high rate there is literally no reason to play low rate otherwise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jorn 120 Posted October 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 15 minutes ago, Kirito said: GM creates the server and creates the rules for the community. If the voting goes through we will decide how we will track and punish (it's gonna be perma bans)Â RTM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oriphix 61 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 16 minutes ago, Jorn said: If the voting goes through we will decide how we will track and punish (it's gonna be perma bans)Â RTM. Â Quote Link to post Share on other sites
klever 16 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 55 minutes ago, Kirito said: A player sees that someone is selling items on L2Shrine or you see it yourself on max cheaters. Main form of contact is normally skype. You make contact and arrange meeting in game. Find the play and all related accounts and ban them. If they are listing there items for sale for real money its intent to sell and is still punishable imo. Nothing really inconclusive. ok, ill make topic on max cheaters like "WTS adena on 2shrine, pm here or in game "kirito " and show this topic Jorn. So, u mast got perma ban, right? *censored* its not eurooff, nobody will pay here real money. what sell here? 5kk? *censored* *censored**censored* or my suggestions - Kirito will watched about RMT if give sufficient evidence, then are risen each case, and will not be stupid topic on forum, and everyone quietly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeyItsAco 6 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 (edited) I dont even know why this "ban the sellers" topic  started. Klever is 100% right. Its extremly difficult do accomplish it and it has no meaning. Dont bother u waste your time Edited October 5, 2016 by HeyItsAco 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pasime 1 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Those who vote NO really wants to sell/buy something Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TzaR 19 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I will vote NO. War with rmt costs huge time for admins and no effective. Better make war with bot/bag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
klever 16 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Forbid and punish real money trade? 1 hour ago, TzaR said: I will vote NO. Â need press yes )) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TzaR 19 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 what?)) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Adephx 1 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 In all seriousness tho, what drugs are you people on, because I want some. This is not Retail, hell, this isn't even a major private server, do you really expect anyone to specialize in trading items/gold for a player-base of what, 300-400 people? Jesus, calm down and let it go. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oriphix 61 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 9 hours ago, klever said: ok, ill make topic on max cheaters like "WTS adena on 2shrine, pm here or in game "kirito " and show this topic Jorn. So, u mast got perma ban, right? *censored* its not eurooff, nobody will pay here real money. what sell here? 5kk? *censored* *censored**censored* or my suggestions - Kirito will watched about RMT if give sufficient evidence, then are risen each case, and will not be stupid topic on forum, and everyone quietly lol you make me smile  If the person pm's of something I don't know about what do you normally do? You either ignore them or just say you don't know what you are talking about. Especially if someone pm's me I will take a screenshot and report that person for RMT after getting more information as to where he got my name / URL from. You argument is invalid and sounds like you want to RMT. Which is fine but low rate is not the place to do that. 2 hours ago, Adephx said: In all seriousness tho, what drugs are you people on, because I want some. This is not Retail, hell, this isn't even a major private server, do you really expect anyone to specialize in trading items/gold for a player-base of what, 300-400 people? Jesus, calm down and let it go. Yes there is 300-400 now, I have played on servers where people have done RMT on low population servers. But with out proper rules when the server has 1000+ players what are you going to then? Its better to setup the server with proper rules from the start so you don't have to deal with it later on. Catch people and ban done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sactio 0 Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 I personally believe that selling and buying in-game items for real money wouldn't be a big deal, those who got money might buy what they want, the in-game item is produced by players who did spend a lot of time on it so it is a "player played item". But when we look on different servers they have those "bots" which does like 90% of the work needed, the player didn't need to play any time for it and the item is almost like an administrator would spawn it which creates a hole in the market. I don't like to tell people what they are supposed to do, I think everyone can do what they want and the consequences are for their own, but cheating(by using bots) is just awful and while buying a really played for item is just a shortcut for a player(while the other one had to actually play for it). So at the end, I am against it. I am aware of the fact that this server have some anti-bot protection(and I do not know how that is supposed to work anyway) but I don't believe that anything works in 100%. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
darkdewer 16 Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Make sure people not just voting with multiple accounts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squallsp 5 Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) To admins: I can't recall you making a poll on autoloot. No poll on global chat. No poll on rates. No poll on vote reward . My question is ,why the hell is all the fuzz about something you clearly disagree with? Isn't it unfair  to everything else that has been discussed and denied as a change without a poll ? This topic should have been locked a long time ago. Stick to what you want, bottom line is - ITS YOUR SERVER. If you made a poll on autoloot,when it was discussed,how did you think it would go? Give it a month and people will start to bitch about being PK'd ..well it is a part of the game and more people will leave because of it than because someone is using mommy's credit card to get a quest done.It should be your call. Edited October 7, 2016 by Squallsp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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