Oriphix 61 Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 @Jorn @Emca Why isn't this post deleted already? This is RTM which should never be allowed in low rate servers. Low rate is all about working for your gear. If i can pay someone to do it why would anyone play here? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Emca 306 Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 We don't like wasting time fighting windmills... This doesn't make harm to anyone Link to post Share on other sites
Oriphix 61 Posted October 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 So if someone has AQ or DB+10 its okay to sell for Euros on this server? Link to post Share on other sites
Oriphix 61 Posted October 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 This 100% harms people that dont have money thats why RTM is never allowed. RTM gives unfair advantage to players that don't have money. You don't allow to have 2nd class transfer NPC but then allow RTM for people to buy. Where is the logic in that? Link to post Share on other sites
Emca 306 Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, Kirito said: So if someone has AQ or DB+10 its okay to sell for Euros on this server? And what can I do against it omg? Don't see any difference if they arrange it here or on MXC... except if they arrange it here, they're still on our web and that counts It's ok to sell anything for any price here except things like drugs, organs, ... Link to post Share on other sites
Oriphix 61 Posted October 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 Â 6 minutes ago, Emca said: And what can I do against it omg? Don't see any difference if they arrange it here or on MXC... except if they arrange it here, they're still on our web and that counts It's ok to sell anything for any price here except things like drugs, organs, ... Umm you ban them on here or max cheaters. Create a reward system for people to report botters and RTM traders. People won't want to play on a server where you are allowing RTM even mid and high rates don't allow that. Put that as a feature on your website that RTM is allowed and see how many players you get. Link to post Share on other sites
Emca 306 Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 @Kirito, we really don't have time to fight against windmills. Banning players that comply rules is absolutely nonsense and it harms the server. I won't discuss it anymore. Link to post Share on other sites
Oriphix 61 Posted October 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 If you don't have time to to run a proper low rate with rules that is normal for low rate then why create it? Since joining this server I have only ever tried to help you guys get more people. From the main website suggestions, to the forum structure even the launcher. RTM should be against the rules is what I am saying. So if you can't fight "windmills" then nothing I can do. Unlimited box - Can't fight windmill RTM Allowed - Can't fight windmill Next will be botters allowed to farm items to sell for RTM - Can't fight windmill If you want to run a long term server you need to have proper rules in place and enforce it. You have 3 GM's at the moment with NeedCoffee. Get more GM's to help you out in times you can't be on. But don't ruin a good server by not fighting windmills. Link to post Share on other sites
klever 16 Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, Kirito said: RTM Allowed - Can't fight windmill who say that? man, this topic just joke. U realy thing that somebody will pay? funny ) Link to post Share on other sites
Jorn 120 Posted October 3, 2016 Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 If someone wants to pay real money for ingame items / accounts, it´s their choice. I will clean this topic tomorrow morning, this is marketplace, not discussion place. Link to post Share on other sites
Oriphix 61 Posted October 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 5 minutes ago, klever said: who say that? man, this topic just joke. U realy thing that somebody will pay? funny ) Yes people do pay for it. Link to post Share on other sites
Oriphix 61 Posted October 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2016 @Jorn you could have split the thread and moved the discussion to the general section. There was no reason to delete all of that. RTM is a important point and many people will want to know where you stand on that. Link to post Share on other sites
Jorn 120 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 There is no way we can track trade for real money. People can arrange that via email, personal messages, skype, another forums. We're not going to stalk people, if they want to buy/sell for real money, it's their choice. Link to post Share on other sites
Emca 306 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 Also it's much different than bots - we have custom antibot, we hunt bots during both day and night. This rule CAN be enforced. Rules that can't be enforced are stupid and useless (also applies in real life) Link to post Share on other sites
heroBD 107 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 @Kirito  about the unlimited boxes , even if i was a monobox/duobox voter , the admins were right . this server wouldnt survive even day one with monobox. and most of us would 'try bypass duobox' cause we wouldnt be able to proceed when 150 are max online at a time. about the bots i think everybody has stated already that they are 100% against them , they just dont know if they have to perma ban them asap or not  because they can bypass ip bans i guess. the admins just try to explain to u that if they cant do anything about it or if they can only get rid of maybe 10-20% of the cases then it wouldnt change the other 80% that actually cant be solved. i  think that if u take them a photo of a person trying to sell staff or a random shop in giran they ll ban him , but they wont bother to enter maxcheaters and hunt for everysingle thing.... it is all about politics as someone else said in this forum... in this server if a player plays 2 hours /day  , 3 days a week , he wont be able to get gear or lvl up even in 1-2 years...i know it feels bad and i share your opinion for pure/hardcore l2 oldstyle gaming , but somethings are simple and u must live with them. i dont say that we should make it 100% legal, but on some occasions u cant do much. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
heroBD 107 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 also have something else in mind. this server isnt ours. even if most things will be made by voting, many others are up to admins to decide (like autoloot) . even if we dont like it , it is their server , and they have their own personal reasons or opinions on some things. all i want to say in the end is that they dont owe us nothing , specially with the no donation system ,but we owe to them some respect and loyalty to their decisions. Link to post Share on other sites
HeyItsAco 6 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 If i wanna sell an item mate i can do it and no one will know.trying to catch sellers is just a pain.plus that im not against.if someone made +10 it doesnt really matter who has it or of he traded for money or not. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Balm0r 3 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 Just close this patetic emo topic. I thought that on shrine people will dont have aby reason to complain, cry but i was wrong. Bot dont work eaven adrenaline premium ... And cry about box unlimited? Good luck for somone runing with 3+ chars on back, on xp5 Link to post Share on other sites
TzaR 19 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 1 box and no limit box  it is just different games Link to post Share on other sites
Salee 0 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 RTM allowed? Is it a joke? So what is the point of no donations? And it looked as nice server on the front page. Link to post Share on other sites
Emca 306 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 @Salee, did you read the whole thread? Link to post Share on other sites
Salee 0 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 Yes, and can not believe Admin may say so big bullshit. I'm from Skelth (offical classic server), after I saw what RTM did with the server, nothing will encourage me to server where this cancer is allowed. Link to post Share on other sites
Jorn 120 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 We are not NSA, we can't watch people's communication, we can't stalk people, we can't stand behind their back watching, if they are selling items for real money or not, therefore we can't enforce that rule. But if you have some great idea how to deal with that, please, share it with us. Link to post Share on other sites
Salee 0 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 (edited) You have logs, you have community reports. Of it is hard to hunt down people whos sell accounts when leave server, but you definitely can hunt down bigger organised groups like MadPro from Skelth. Edited October 4, 2016 by Salee Link to post Share on other sites
Squallsp 5 Posted October 4, 2016 Report Share Posted October 4, 2016 Im curious too , how do you catch someone doing that ? Just step in Admins shoes , how would you do it ? Yeah , it is forbidden EVERY-GOD-DAMN-WHERE , but you must be just ignorant if you think that it doesn't happen anyway. In Diablo 3 they fucked up (excuse my french) the whole game fighting it, by making items account bound, and not only did they lose 70% of their player base, but they couldn't even prevent it. Really, GJ on being honest about it, I too do NOT aprove .. but whada you gona do ? What everyone says is sold for real money , every seller can describe as a gift. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
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